Its got breath, its got all those spaces. Page 40. And then you can also be like, Im a little anxious about this thing thats happening next week. Or all of these things, it makes room for all of those things. . I have a lot of poems that basically are that. Learn more at. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? But he is driven by passionate callings older and deeper than his public vocation as an actor and comedian. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. So Sundays were a different kind of practice, if you will, a different kind of observation. Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. Out here, theres a bowing even the trees are doing. Now, somethings, breaking always on the skyline, falling over Im like, Yes. My grandmother is 98. When you open the page, theres already silence. But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high And then I kept thinking, What are the other things I can do that with?. It is still the wind. I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating. Free shipping for many products! And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us, breath to breath and hour to hour, as much in who we are and how we are present as in whatever we do. And it was an incredible treat to interview her before 1,000 people, packed together in a concert hall on a cold Minnesota night. In me, a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. Copyright 2023. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity . In 2014, Tippett was awarded the National Humanities Medal by U.S. President Barack Obama . And I would just have these whole moments when people would be like, Oh, and then well meet in person. And I was like, , I dont want you to witness my body. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. Many of us were having different experiences. Tippett: But we dont need to belabor that. The thesis has never been exile. Supporting organizations and initiatives that uphold a sacred relationship with life on Earth. And you also wrote about that, and you also wrote this essay. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful Ocean Vuong right on the cusp of that turning, in March 2020, in a joyful and crowded room full of podcasters in Brooklyn. But then I just examine all the different ways of being quiet. Transcription by Alletta Cooper Krista Tippett: I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. We understand questions as technologies and virtues as social arts. [laughs] I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. Copyright 2023, And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our. And its page six of. [Laughter] I feel like I could hear that response, right? Right. no hot gates, no house decayed. Tippett: And this is about your childhood, right? strong and between sleep, And then I kept thinking, What are the other things I can do that with? [laughter] Because there are a lot of unhelpful things that have been told to me. And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. us, still right now, a softness like a worn fabric of a nightshirt. I almost think that this poem could be used as a meditation. If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? the collar, constriction of living. the pummeling of youth. cigarette smoke or expertise in recipes or of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising. I wrote it and then I immediately sent it to an editor whos a friend of mine and said, I dont know if you want this. And it was up the next day on the website. now even when it is ordinary. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful . Our closing music was composed by Gautam Srikishan. I never go there very much anymore. Want to Read. Also: Kristin Brogdon, Lindsey Siders, Brad Kern, John Marks, Emery Snow and the entire staff at both Northrop and the Ted Mann Concert Hall of the University of Minnesota. Yeah. And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. I feel like it brings us back to wholeness somehow. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the mystery of others. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. We elevate voices of wisdom and models of wise thinking, speaking, and living. She trained as a doctor in a generation that understood death as a failure of medicine. And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. Her six books of poetry include, most recently, The Hurting Kind. So we have to do this another time. [2] Her guests include the 14th Dalai Lama, Maya Angelou, Mohammed Fairouz, Desmond Tutu, Thich Nhat Hanh, Rosanne Cash, Wangari Maathai, Yo-Yo Ma, Paulo Coehlo . Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower Funny thing about grief, its hold Theres shower silent and bath silent and California silent and Kentucky silent and car silent and then theres a silence that comes back, a million times bigger than me, sneaks into my bones and wails and wails and wails until I cant be quiet anymore. This is like a self-care poem. And so I gave up on it. Listen Download Transcript. It unfolded at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis, in collaboration with Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Ada Limns publisher, Milkweed Editions. On Being, which began on public radio, has been named a best podcast by The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Guardian, the Webbys, iHeart Radio with more than 400 million downloads. Yeah. And he had a little cage, I would make sure he was And he would get bundled up and carried from house to house. I do feel like you were one of the people who was really writing with care and precision and curiosity about what we were going through. It wasnt functional in a way. The truth is, Ive never cared for the National, Anthem. you can keep it until its needed, until you can Limn: It is still the wind. And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. Tippett: Something that you reflect on a lot that I would love to just draw you out on a bit is I think people who love language the most, and work with language, also are most intensely aware of the limits of language, and thats partly why youre working so hard. inward and the looking up, enough of the gun, the drama, and the acquaintances suicide, the long-lost, letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and, the ego and the obliteration of ego, enough, of the mother and the child and the father and the child, and enough of the pointing to the world, weary. Yeah. Yes. Limn: Yeah. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. I mean, I do right now. and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. and gloss. And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. Tippett: And then Joint Custody from The Hurting Kind. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? And I think about that all the time. Flipboard. We havent read much from, , which is a wonderful book. And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. Good conflict. Technology and vitality. Its a source of a spiritual thoughtfulness that runs through this conversation with Krista. Between. Before I bury him, I snap a photo and beg But each of us has callings, not merely to be professionals, but to be friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, citizens, lovers of the world. Poems all come to me differently. I think thats very true. You should take a nap. [laughter] I know its cruel. [laughter]. Tippett: several years later and a changed world later. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. In generational time, they are stitching relationship across rupture. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. No, really I was. So would you read, its called Before, page 46. My body is for me. [audience laughter] And it really struck me that how much I was like, How do I move through this world? Remembering what it is to be a body, I think to be a woman who moves through the world with a body, who gets commented on the body. What if we stood up with our synapses and flesh and said. Limn: And I love it, but I think that you go to it, as a poet, in an awareness of not only its limitations and its failures, but also very curious about where you can push it in order to make it into a new thing. And so I have. Then in 2018, she published a brilliant essay called "Complicating the Narratives," which she opened by confessing a professional existential crisis. Before the new marriage. BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: We have a profile today of Krista Tippett, the host of the weekly public radio conversation "Speaking of Faith," which won a Peabody Award this week. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and the Art of Living by Krista Tippe at the best online prices at eBay! And I think Id just like to end with a few more poems. s wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. So Im hoping. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. What is the thesis word or the wind? I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-. Many have turned to David Whyte for his gorgeous, life-giving poetry and his wisdom at the interplay of theology, psychology, and leadership his insistence on the power of a beautiful question and of everyday words amidst the drama of work as well as the drama of life. And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. On her show she promoted her new book, Einstein's God, and if the show is any indication, this new enterprise promises to be a fun fest for people inclined . Maybe that speaks for itself. I mean, even that question you asked, What am I supposed to do with all that silence? Thats one way to talk about the challenge of being human and walking through a life. Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Patel is a Deseret contributor. And Im sure it does for many of you, where you start to think about a phrase or a word comes to you and youre like, Is that a word? Youre like, With. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving, into anothers, that sounds like a match being lit, in an endless cave, the song that says my bones. She founded and leads the On Being Project ( www.onbeing.org )a groundbreaking media and public life . I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward Yet her lifelong struggle with Crohns Disease and her pioneering work with cancer patients shaped her view of life. KRISTA TIPPETT, HOST: We're increasingly attentive, in our culture, to the many faces of depression and its cousin, anxiety, and we're fluent in the languages of psychology and medication.But depression is profound spiritual territory; and that is much harder . It feels important to me, right now, because I want to talk to you about this a little bit, what weve been through. We are located on Dakota land. I think there are things we all learned also. Im so excited for your tenure representing poetry and representing all of us, and Im excited that you have so many more years of aging and writing and getting wiser ahead, and we got to be here at this early stage. Tippett: [laughs] Yeah. But I mean, Ive listened to every podcast shes done, so Im aware. Can you locate that? Tippett: Its that Buddhist, the finger pointing at the moon, right? And honestly, this feels to me like if I were teaching a college class, I would have somebody read this poem and say, Discuss.. So well just be on an adventure together. And it sounds like thunder? Join our constellation of listening and living. Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-, fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body, thing, forever close-eyed, under a green plant, in the ground, under the feast up above. Yet what Amanda has gone on to investigate and so, so helpfully illuminate is not just about journalism, or about politics. is so bright and determined like a flame, I think grief is something that is very We have so much to grieve even as we have so much to walk towards. This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you. [audience laughs] I have a lot of poems that basically are that. Its almost romantic as we adjust the waxy blue. You boiled it down. And this is about your childhood, right? Oh my. Can you locate that? capture, capture, capture. a certain light does a certain thing, enough But each of us has callings, not merely to be professionals, but to be friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, citizens, lovers of the world. I mean, thats how we read. So we have to do this another time. Why not that weed? Our entire world is spent that way. The Hearthland Foundation. Yeah. Krista Tippett founded and leads "The On Being Project," hosts the globally esteemed On Being public radio show and podcast, and curates the "Civil Conversat. just the bottlebrush alive So, On Preparing the Body for a Reopened World.. Groundbreaking Peabody Award-winning conversation about the big questions of meaning, hosted by Krista Tippett. Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. Limn: Kind of true. Limn: I think its very dangerous not to have hope. Ive got a bone Nothing, nothing is funny. Yeah, I think theres so much value in grief. She loves human beings. Tippett: So the poem you wrote, Joint Custody. You get asked to read it. Our younger listeners have asked to hear adrienne maree browns voice on On Being, and here she is, as we enter our own time of evolution. And then it hits you or something you, like you touch a doorknob, and it reminds you of your mothers doorknob. Subscribe to the live your best life newsletter Sign up for the oprah.com live your best life newsletter Get more stories like this delivered to your inbox Get updates on your favorite . @KristaTippett is the host of @OnBeing podcast and a NYTimes bestselling author. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. of age. Dacher Keltner and his Greater Good Science Center at Berkeley have been pivotal in this emergence. Krista Tippett (ne Weedman; born November 9, 1960) is an American journalist, author, and entrepreneur. So in The Carrying, there are these two poems on facing pages, that both have fire in the title. that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving And now Ill just say it again: they are the publisher of the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. the world walking in, ready to be ravaged, open for business. And what of the stanzas, we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge, could save the hireling and the slave? the ego and the obliteration of ego, enough You will hear the voices of wise and graceful lives of former guests, and of listeners from far-flung places. s wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. Weve come this far, survived this much. Nov 28, 2022. Tippett: Thats so wonderful. On Being Studios's tracks [Unedited] Ocean Vuong with Krista Tippett by On Being Studios and enough of the pointing to the world, weary And also Im so happy to be together with you in the old-fashioned flesh, which we no longer take for granted. Tippett: I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. Yeah. Limn: Right. It feels important to me, right now, because I want to talk to you about this a little bit, what weve been through. God, which I dont think were going to get to talk about today. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. I cannot reverse it, the record Articles by Krista Tippett on Muck Rack. It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. And I feel like its very interesting when you actually have to get away from it, because you can also do the other thing where you focus too much on the breath. And then in this moment it was we cared for each other by being apart. Limn: That you can be joyful and you can actually be really having a wonderful time. I just set my wash settings to who Id like to be in 2023: Casual, Warm, Normal., Limn: Yeah, that was true. I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?, And hes like, Are you trying to ask me what the weather is?. Its wonderful. And it is definitely wine country and all of the things that go along with that. Journalist, National Humanities Medalist, and bestselling author Krista Tippett has created a singular space for reflection and conversation in American and global public life. Only my head is for you. And its page six of The Hurting Kind. Her volume The Carrying won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her book Bright Dead Things was a finalist for the National Book Award. And if you cant have hope, I think we need a little awe, or a little wonder, or at least a little curiosity. Limn: Yeah. It has ever and always been true, David Whyte reminds us, that so much of human experience is a conversation between loss and celebration. Tippett: I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. So I think there was a lot of, not only was it music, but then it was music in Spanish. We say, Oh, I want to write about this flower. And then we say, Why this flower? are your bones, and your bones are my bones, Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). Tippett: A lot of them are in the On Being studio, they come in the mail. Yeah. Tippett: And we were given to remember that civilization is built on something so tender as bodies breathing in proximity to other bodies. So its a very special place. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course, Enough of us across all of our differences see that we have a world to remake. But I think there was something deeper going on there, which was that idea of, Oh, this is when you pack up and you move. And I even had a pet mouse named Fred, which you would think I wouldve had a more creative name for the mouse, but his name was Fred. Limn: When I lived in New York City, my two best friends, I would always try to get them to go to yoga with me. Kalliopeia Foundation. I will trust the world and I will feel at peace. And this time, what came to me as I stood and looked at the trees was that Oh, it isnt just me looking. what a word, what a world, this gray waiting. Limn: Yeah, I had a moment where I hadnt realized how delighted I was to go about my world without my body. You ever think you could cry so hard Talk about any of the limits of language, the failure of language. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. And if you cant have hope, I think we need a little awe, or a little wonder, or at least a little curiosity. And that is so much more present with us all the time. We offer it here as an audio experience, and we think you will enjoy being in . And we think, Well, what are we supposed to do with that silence? And we read naturally for meaning. Creativity. I am too used to nostalgia now, a sweet escape, of age. body. I write. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, Find them at, Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. Limn: Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. Krista Tippett leaves public radio. Nov 19, 2022, 8:00pm PST. the collar, constriction of living. Before the ceramics in the garbage. And when you say I know one shouldnt take poems apart like this, but The thesis is the river. What does that mean? And even as it relieves us of the need to sum everything up. And that was in shorter supply than one would think. Limn: and you forget how to breathe. In me. And then I would be like, Okay, I was there. And the next day Id wake up and be like, Well, I was there yesterday. And I hope, I dont think anybody here will mind. Every week: practices and goodies to accompany your listen. Limn: Yeah. Wilkerson, winner of the Pulitzer Prize and the National Humanities Medal, has become a leading figure in narrative nonfiction with The Warmth of Other Suns and Caste. and the world. We understand love as the most reliably transformative muscle of human wholeness, and we investigate the workings of love as public practice. Tippett: Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. Yeah, because its made with words, but its also sensory and its bodily. [laughter] Sometimes its just staring out the window. July 4, 2022 9:00 am. And this, it turns out, is also a primary source of his tethering in values. Theres a lot of different People. And they would say, I dont want to go to yoga. And I was like, Why? And they said, I just dont want anyone telling me when to breathe.. but witnessed. Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her volume, . We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways we've only begun to process and fathom. edges of the world, smudged by mist, a squirrels. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. lover, come back to the five-and-dime. The great eye. I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high. Or, Im suffering, or Right. I feel like theres a level in which it offers us a place to be that feels closer to who we are, because there is always that interesting moment where someone asks you who you are, even just the simple question of, How are you? If we really took a minute to think about it, How am I? Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. Yeah. We live in a world in love with the form of words that is an opinion and the way with words that is an argument. I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. And I was feeling very isolated. What was it? Interesting. Limn: Exactly. would happen if we decided to survive more? has an unsung third stanza, something brutal Thats page 95. and buried, I go about my day, which isnt, ordinary, exactly, because nothing is ordinary in an endless cave, the song that says my bones The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Yeah. And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. We touch each other. We think were divided by issues, arguing about conflicting facts. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. And shes animated by questions emerging from those loves and from the science she does which we scarcely know how to take seriously amidst so much demoralizing bad ecological news. I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Limn: Yeah. Oh, Im stressed. Oh, if you want to know about stress, let me tell you, Im stressed., I like to tell my friends when they say theyre really stressed, Ill be like, Oh, I took the most wonderful nap. But we dont need to belabor that. But I do think youre a bit of a So the thing is, we have this phrase, old and wise. But the truth is that a lot of people just grow old, it doesnt necessarily come with it. 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